Cleansing Your Space: The Art of House Clearing with Suzanne Neff

Aline: 00:00:06

Hello and a warm welcome to the Align with Aline podcast series. My name is Aline and I'm joined by the wonderful Suzanne Neff. And we decided on our last call.

That would be really beautiful to talk about house clearing. And house clearing can mean so many different things. So we're going to dive in in a moment, but first of all, to introduce Suzanne.

She is a horse whisperer extraordinaire, a co founder of Anima Mundi, an author, and she also teaches children. She is very much, I would say, a green shaman or a green witch, loving plants and herbs and teaching us all about them.

And she very generously is coming on today to talk about the. The element of keeping our houses clear. And as I said, we will go into this, but it's not just our surroundings, it's our inner houses as well.

So we're going to dive in and I will introduce you to Sazanne.

Susanne: 00:01:03

Thank you for having me.

Aline: 00:01:04

Thank you for coming back. So with house clearing, I mean, obviously you've just mentioned it a little bit. It's so important for our environment, isn't it, when we're.

We spend, I don't know, maybe a third of our lives, I mean, many more people spend if they're working from home, lots of their lives in their homes. And recently Spoken had a very beautiful podcast on energy and frequency.

And this is very much what we were speaking about the other day, about keeping our spaces clear. So how would you suggest, what, what does house clearing mean to you?

Susanne: 00:01:44

Well, the thing is really, like what you said, that we spend a lot of time in our houses, so we need to feel comfortable in our houses and it has to have a good atmosphere. So.

And you can definitely feel it if you go into a house and you feel like, repelled or you're like, oh, I don't really like to be there, and you almost have the urge to run out again. And so basically what we do with house clearing is that everyone feels comfortable in the house and that it's.

That it feels welcome when somebody comes in.

And sometimes if there are ghosts in the house or if there are some residue from wars or whatever, then it needs to be cleansed because otherwise it's like, I don't want to say inhabitable, but it's not necessarily nice to live there.

Aline: 00:02:33

You mean uninhabitable. So. Right.

Some places that we, that we've heard of, very famous places in Hollywood, for example, people can't live there because there's too much going on. Yeah. So would you be able to Share a personal experience if you want to.

Susanne: 00:02:50

Yeah, I. I had quite a lot. With time, I had some. So I don't know exactly where to start, but similar.

It was interesting when we talked, I realized that it's the same then with the horses. With the horses, I always thought, oh, I'm pretty good. And then a horse came that I didn't know what to do with.

Like, that was really difficult, so I had to learn more.

And with the house cleansing, I have the few feeling it's the same way because basically I started out with just smudging a little bit and it was okay, you know. But then I got to houses when I moved around that were more and more difficult.

And for example, I lived in the winter, I lived close to here in a house. And I was wondering why I was attracted to this house when there is a ghost in there.

And so I realized because she was coming in and out through a mirror. And I realized that it's the old lady that used to live there. And I talked to her. I'm like, listen, why do you keep coming?

And she's like, well, I died way too soon. And I want you to tell my.

I don't know who it was, niece or whatever, the one who inherited the house, that she should maintain my herb garden because it. It was very precious to her. So when she came next time, the woman who rented the house to me or the flat to me, I said, listen, there is an old lady.

And she said, she died way too soon and she wants you to take better care of her herb garden. She said, oh, yeah, that was my grandmother. I inherited the house from her. And yeah, she. She died of cancer and she wanted.

She wanted to live so much longer and do so much more in her life. And she said that, yeah, I haven't maintained her, and I know that she loved it and she wanted it to be well maintained.

So this was this experience and then I moved here.

Aline: 00:04:58

Did you maintain the herb garden?

Susanne: 00:05:00

No, no, I didn't, because I didn't stay there for long. But it was just for her to know that in the. That she should take better care of.

Aline: 00:05:08

It and say, perfect tenant.

Susanne: 00:05:10

Yeah. Oh, and then I came here and this house was even worse. It was really worse. Like, it was really famous as the party house. And I was like, okay.

I didn't know what. What was going on. So I just did my regular smudging every day for a year, and nothing changed. It was like everyone who came in was really tired.

They came here, sat down, and I'm like, oh my God, I'm so tired. And that's a sign. Like, that's also something I want to talk about. Like, things how you can recognize if there is something wrong with the house.

We already started talking about it last time because, like, then you feel tired, then there are divorces in the house, then there are fights in the house, then people break into the house, then people are unemployed in the house because of stagnant energy. Yeah, exactly. So these are signs if someone wants to know. Like, is my house. Does it need cleansing? Or is it okay?

Like, if you feel good, then you can do the cleansing to feel better, but you don't need to do it. But if you have signs like what I just mentioned, then it's better to do something about it. And there were parties, there was drug abuse.

All these things were going on here, like, always to late at night parties and whatever. I'm like, okay, so something's wrong. And.

And the old owners lost part of the property and had to sell it because they didn't have any money anymore and things like that. Oh, and. And the last thing was that the owner, old owner, died of cancer. Okay, so if there are heavy illnesses, that's also a sign.

And so I'm like, okay, so a lot more happened. And then I was sitting here with a friend and all of a sudden the whole room went freezing. That's a sign if ghosts are there.

And also I get goosebumps all over. Or if the clocks stop working, that's also a sign. And I felt the energy of a woman who was very angry.

And I thought, oh, maybe it's the old owner that she came, that she doesn't want us to be here. But this was always a house where flats were rented out, so this was not very probable. And the woman seems way younger, not like an old lady.

So I asked around in the house. I'm like, did someone die in the house that was really young? And a woman.

And then I found out that above me there was a woman who died of drug abuse and they had to take her out of the balcony. And yeah, so it's not advisable usually to go into a house where people died because always, usually the people don't even realize they die.

And then they hang around as ghosts because they think it's still their house. And then you have poltergeist and whatever.

Aline: 00:08:06

Someone like you comes along to help them go to the light.

Susanne: 00:08:10

That was the thing, like, because then I really asked, why do I always get attracted to houses that are like, the worst houses in the whole village, you know. But I had really. The message I got was really that it's. The house really wants some peace, wants to get rid of the Whatever. Yeah.

So we did a candle for this ghost to go to the light. So you give them a time and say, please leave till midnight, and you make a doorway out of the candle to that they have the chance to leave.

That's what we did. And that was better. And. But there was still this stagnant energy.

Like also, if your business is not running well, and like what I said, if people are unemployed in the house, if there are a lot of fights, a lot of people moving in and out, so no one, Nobody can really settle, you know, these are all signs. So. And then like I told you last time, I called this a guy who did Earth acupuncture, he did something and it was still not okay.

And then he also removed a curse that.

That's something that can be there from whatever, if there has been a war or something and it needs to be lifted, that the place or the energy can just flow freely again.

Aline: 00:09:27

So that was acupuncture. He did Earth acupuncture. Is that right?

Susanne: 00:09:30

Yeah, like he did it mentally, like in a shamanic journey. He just went there and you.

Aline: 00:09:36

Like.

Susanne: 00:09:36

It's as if you would mentally scan the whole place and find the worst point in the. In the property. And often there are also indicators on the property.

Like, for example, if there is negative energy on the property, then usually it's where the trees die or where there's a lot of ivy. Usually this an indicator.

So if you talk to a geomancer, then they will always tell you that there are plants that are more attracted to positive energy, and then there are plants that are attracted more to negative energy. And depending on which it is, there are indicators on, like, what energy is around.

Aline: 00:10:17

Interesting about ivy.

Susanne: 00:10:19

Okay, so ivy is one indicator and there are many more. So then if there is a tree, for example, that died down, then this is probably okay, the. The tree couldn't live there.

So this is probably the worst point in the property. And this is where you mentally put a metal stake or needle just to puncture the earth or.

Aline: 00:10:44

Yeah, so disperse it. Yeah.

Susanne: 00:10:46

And then it's. It's exactly like what you do with acupuncture, acupressure with your own body.

You just put a needle in and then the meridians get freed up so the energy can flow again.

Aline: 00:10:58

The energy is dispersed.

Susanne: 00:11:00

Yeah. So it's basically the exact same thing. You're Doing. Then he also removed a curse. And since then it's really good. Also, like, I.

And I also help a lot of friends with their house cleansing. And it's also interesting. For example, I have a friend, she inherited the house from her grandfather, and she said she cannot sell the house.

So she had a person come that did some energetic work, but it didn't resolve anything. She paid a lot of money and nothing changed.

Then I went into the house and I could feel the energy that was really almost dragging me down in the lower floor. And when we were further up where her grandfather's office was, all the lights were flickering.

Aline: 00:11:50

And that was also about electricity as well. Yeah.

Susanne: 00:11:53

And they play with electricity and. Yeah. So there was a ghost that she could talk to. And then we. She did some cleansing with sage. And that's a good hint now because this is.

That attracts good spirits, but it doesn't necessarily cleanse if it goes deeper.

So what we did, because there was a lot of fight in the house, like we did the sandalwood in all the corners that all the old sword forms get destroyed. And then she said, well, it's still not good. The energy is too heavy. I don't know what to do. So what we did is we put X in every corner.

I did that here also in every corner. X. And if it's really infested with ghosts, then what you can do is additionally you can put some. Some sulfur on top of the egg.

But then it's like a clean slate because you almost like send away the good and the bad. Yeah. Or yeah, because it's like a clean slate. But sometimes it's necessary because sometimes there's so much going on then.

Aline: 00:13:04

Yeah, so the eggs. So just going back to that because I interrupted you. So we put eggs in every single corner of. Of the house. Right.

Susanne: 00:13:11

Okay. I think she bought a whole farm of eggs or something. I don't know. She bought really a lot of eggs.

Aline: 00:13:19

Do we leave them overnight or how long do we leave them for?

Susanne: 00:13:22

Usually like, I leave them for a week.

Aline: 00:13:25

Okay, a week.

Susanne: 00:13:27

And what was really interesting, she called me at three at night and said in the whole house. Her mom called her and she said, are you downstairs? And she's like, no, this is like somebody's talking. The whole house is whispering.

And she could even hear it through the phone. And then I also told her to make photos before and after.

And you could see in the reflection of a window, you could see like a old person, like always from the Middle Ages with this. I don't know how to say this. Around the collar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw it in the picture.

Aline: 00:14:05

Yeah. Blackadder kind of. Yeah.

Susanne: 00:14:09

A person like that showed up.

Aline: 00:14:10

Yeah.

Susanne: 00:14:11

So then we did this with the sulfur and the eggs, and now it's really. She says if she now walks into the lower flat, then in the basement, then the energy is completely different. It's much lighter and whatever.

And this is also what happened here. It looks brighter. It. It feels lighter. Yeah. You feel a change of energy. You feel. It's completely different. You feel. You don't feel so tired.

You don't feel so repelled. It's completely relaxed. Yeah.

Aline: 00:14:37

So with the eggs, because I've heard before and I've done this myself, we take. Is this right? We take the eggs and we go to a crossroads. We don't look, leave them there, and we. And we go. And we go off in the opposite direction.

Is that what you did?

Susanne: 00:14:51

That was the funniest thing, because she called me and she's like. So we were digging a hole at the crossroads. We put the eggs in, and we turned away and we didn't look back. I'm like, yeah, correct.

And she's like, yeah, but the problem is we. We forgot our. I think they forgot the knife. From her grandfather.

Aline: 00:15:10

Oh, something.

Susanne: 00:15:11

Wow. Or from his grandfather. I don't know. I think from his grandfather.

Aline: 00:15:15

Yeah.

Susanne: 00:15:15

And I don't know, they forgot something else or something. And. And she's like, we cannot go back, can we? I wouldn't recommend this because you attract the whole negativity that you just buried. You attract it.

And she's like, okay, I guess we just have to leave it there. Probably it was for the better or for the best. Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

Aline: 00:15:36

So the. So the knife was there to dissolve the energy, and then for somebody else to find maybe, and work with, with positive energy. So. So to recap.

So with ghosts, with any kind of. You know, when we feel goosebumps, when it gets very cold. This is a really gentle way of doing, isn't it?

We just light a candle and make sure, obviously it's safe. And we say, you have until such a time to leave. Just going through, just to recap. So that's one of them. And then.

So with smudging, everybody uses sage. That's the whole, you know, the in thing to use sage.

Susanne: 00:16:15

But it.

Aline: 00:16:15

Obviously it's got different qualities. So, yes, it's beautiful to use sage, but it doesn't. It's not one. It's not. Sage fixes. All right, so it's Be really mindful of.

Of what's going on in the house and feel the sulphur and the eggs. So the eggs, we're really lucky because we have a lady across the road who has chickens on an organic orchard.

So the chickens run free and they eat organic vegetables anyway. And any eggs will. Will do, obviously. Just please. This is just me saying this. Please choose kind eggs if you can. So they go in all corners.

All corners of the house? No, all corners of the house.

Susanne: 00:16:53

That's quite a lot. That's a lot.

Aline: 00:16:55

Yeah. So take your shopping bags with you and. And then once that's been a week, then collect all the eggs. Probably just in a bag. No.

And for example, one of the places where I've left eggs before, there was a bin there. So I just. I was like, thank you, universe. I just put them in the bin and. And went away.

But is it better just to bury them or can they be put in the bin and. And left away?

Susanne: 00:17:20

I also put it in a bin. You don't have to burn, so just.

Aline: 00:17:25

Dispose of them and make sure your head is straight. Don't look back.

Susanne: 00:17:29

Yeah.

Also, if you have a sick person in the house, it's also good to burn, like rosemary or something to lift the spirits because it's a sun herb, so it definitely lifts the spirit.

Aline: 00:17:41

Gorgeous. And music as well.

I mean, I was speaking to who we both know very well, who are our teachers, Foster Perry and Christophe T. Perry the other day, and we. We were talking about the frequency of music and sound healing. That's also really important, isn't it, what you say in the house?

Susanne: 00:17:57

Definitely. That's also something you can do to clear it and record it. Yeah. And I wanted to share another story that was really interesting.

So, like, for example, the old lady, the house where my parents lived, it was like there were several siblings living around before in different houses. They all died. And all the houses got sold when they were old.

Aline: 00:18:22

So.

Susanne: 00:18:22

And the last one who was still there was an old man. He died because he fell off a tractor and got dragged behind the tractor. And my mom got to know him when she moved there.

And then 22 years later, somehow they said that. Or the woman who lived in this house now, she said, there's always a ghost there. And then my mom said, oh, can you please describe the ghost?

And she's like, yeah, he's dragging his one leg and he's like hunched over and on old man. And exactly like how he walked and how he. Yeah. What he looked like.

And then a Couple of weeks later, my sister and her boyfriend, they woke up at night because the ghost was all of a sudden in her room, which is the house next door. Right. And then she called me frantically. So this is also something you can do if there is a ghost in your house.

You can put salt on all the windowsills and also the doorway so that they cannot enter. It's like a barrier, the salt. And this is also something you can do around your whole house as a protection together with roux.

You just dry it and crunch it, and then you put it around the whole property as a protection wall once a year. And you can say, please protect this house so no evil spirits or whatever can come in.

Aline: 00:19:54

This is a great one.

Susanne: 00:19:55

Yeah. So I told her, don't be afraid. I'm coming home soon. Just put the salt on the windowsills for now. I'm going to talk to him when I'm home.

So when I got back home, my sister, my mother and I, we sat there and I'm like, okay, let's talk to him and ask him why he's still here, why he cannot leave. And he said that there's still so much that was unresolved. And all his other siblings died. He was the last to die, and nothing got resolved.

So what we did, my mother and I, we did a family constellation. It took like three hours. And until we let every. Like, we. We put for every of the siblings, one person with the spirits.

Aline: 00:20:35

That's amazing, because all of them had died already.

Susanne: 00:20:38

All of them. So we just took their places and interns and just let them all talk.

And there was, like one case with a child that was out of wedlock and whatever, and then some rape. So a lot of stories that were unresolved that the family just wanted to release or whatever. Yeah, it was really interesting.

And then what was the most fascinating to me was the finish or the finale. We were almost done. And then there was this one lady, I think that was the woman who lived in our house.

And she was still there when we got there as a ghost. Because when we started to live in this house, you always heard someone going up the stairs also, no one was there.

Or the doors closing and things like that. Hear all this creaking around everywhere. And then he was there. And this family was very Catholic.

And so my mom tried to explain to her, from her perspective, oh, there is no sin, you know, there is no sin and you are forgiven and don't worry and whatever. And I'm like, mom, this doesn't work. Like this, because she cannot believe you. Like that's what I told her.

And then my brother came in and I'm like, Leonard, can you please be a priest for a second and just say, say to her like I forgive all of your sins, please pray pardonosta or whatever and you're forgiven. Because she's stuck in this reality that there is sin and she's sinful and she needs to be absolved or something.

And you cannot come here with your modern day thesis of there is no sin.

Aline: 00:22:17

And you have to connect on this perspective.

Susanne: 00:22:20

Yeah. Because they're stuck on, on the involvement level where they were at died. You cannot expect her to make this jump and to get this. Yeah.

And this worked really, really well. So she was really, she was like, oh yeah, okay, okay. And then I'm like, Leonard, just get also some holy water and sprinkle it over her. And then.

And she was like so grateful and it all went well and she left. Yeah. So. But that was also something that I realized at this moment you cannot talk to them at any level. You have to talk to them at.

Aline: 00:23:00

Their level, the level they understand. So I mean, we're talking very matter of factly about ghosts.

Susanne: 00:23:06

Yeah.

Aline: 00:23:06

And you know, and you're, you're chatting to them as if you know that well they are next to you. So when, when did your affinity with, with this start? Was it from a very young age or.

Susanne: 00:23:19

Well, the thing was, my mom used to read to me the, the book the Little Witch when I was little. You know this book?

Aline: 00:23:28

I don't, but I love the idea of your mother reading a book called the Little Witch to you.

Susanne: 00:23:33

Yeah. So it was a little witch and she was only 100 some years old and the others were already 500 years old. So she was young.

Aline: 00:23:42

Yeah.

Susanne: 00:23:43

Every witch was allowed to go to the Blocsback except for her because she was too young. So they told her that, that she has to know all the spells by heart. She had this raven who was called Abrasax or Abraxas diagnostic God.

And he could talk, so he would always give her advice. And she was living in this little hut in the village, in the water, in the forest.

And so somehow she wanted to be part of this festivities at the Blocsberg. So at the Brocken, at the Harz mountain. So she just went there and whatever. And of course they discovered that she went there and whatever.

And then she wasn't allowed to fly with her broom anymore.

She had to walk all the way back from, from the mountain to her hut and so it's just funny and all her mishaps when she tries to do some spells and whatever. So I read this book and at night. At night I woke up and next to me was a ghost of a witch on a broom next to me. I was so. I was scared shitless.

Aline: 00:24:53

Yeah, this is the. How old were you?

Susanne: 00:24:56

I don't remember. I don't know. Maybe something between 6 and 12 or something. I don't remember. I don't know. Yeah, I was scared shitless.

I was, like, really freaking out. And that's the problem. And that's what got me so passionate about teaching kids at school now.

Because I'm like, in Avalon, in Glastonbury, they used to teach kids from 6 to 12 or 16 whatever. They taught them about herbs, they taught them about the visions and whatever and how to deal with them. And I never.

I was never taught how to deal with my visions and whatever I saw, just that an accident would happen. And I'm like, this is just a curse. I see this. I cannot do anything about it. And I was really upset about it. So I shut it down. Yeah.

Because I thought it's a curse and not a gift. And I'm like, what would I need it for? And things like that.

Aline: 00:25:45

May I ask you something? You mentioned about Avalon. You're talking about centuries ago, or you're talking about Glastonbury, Avalon, how it is now?

Susanne: 00:25:53

No, centuries ago. Like way back then.

Aline: 00:25:57

Yes.

Susanne: 00:25:57

And so that's what got me so passionate about teaching at school. School. Because I'm like, I want to bring back the old ways to the schools, that they know about herbs one day.

And also my sister, if she did the babysitting in. In Australia or whatever, and the kids were scared. We always told them, don't be afraid. And you can make a wall of protection.

You can call the angels that they are at every window, in every door, that they protect you. You can surround yourself in a color of light or whatever that they would calm down or do some heart breathing.

So you can do so many techniques and teach the kids. Children and educate them from very early on so that they're not afraid.

Because the problem is, if you are scared, then the ghosts go away and they don't show up again. So I asked my teacher, I'm like, what shall I do? I don't see ghosts anymore. I feel that they're there.

I know if it's a woman or a man, I can talk to them. I see the energy and the outline and yeah, I can. I know instantly okay.

It's a woman this age or whatever, and she's angry or whatever, sad or whatever. I see the auras, but since then, I don't see them so obvious anymore.

And that's really an issue because then it's so much harder once you push it away to recall it. So that's why it's better not to send it away in the first place. Because for children, it's natural to see all these things, and then. Yeah.

It's not normal and there is no imaginary friend and whatever. And then all these abilities. Yeah.

Aline: 00:27:29

That's really beautiful, you and your sister doing that. Thank you.

Susanne: 00:27:32

Yeah.

Aline: 00:27:34

Because I. I didn't have that either. I had nobody to explain. And I've spoken about this before, but I had absolutely no one to explain anything that was going on.

But I didn't talk to anybody about it either, because I thought. As you did. I thought, well, what's this? You know, nobody has spoken to me about this. Why am I seeing half a man in my room?

And I'm really scared and the duvet is going over my head so I never have to see that again. Yeah. That's wonderful. I love that. I. I hugely value what you're doing. That's wonderful. And I wish that we could have a world where that's the norm.

Susanne: 00:28:07

Yeah, definitely do. Because do our part by just educating the people and the children that we meet along the way.

Aline: 00:28:16

Absolutely. And children are. Because we're changing so much and going so much towards the, you know, the divine feminine. More and more children. We all know this.

Whichever, you know, we're on the different waves of generations, they're so much more sensitive coming through. So to have somebody like you instantly is wonderful. So they can really treasure their gifts. That's gorgeous. Thank you.

Susanne: 00:28:38

And it's really funny. Like, they really. They almost, like, suck it in, all this knowledge.

If I go to the school and I tell them that every stone, every animal, every human has a soul, every plant has a soul, then they're like, oh, yes. Because then there are more souls and more ghosts than humans. And I'm like, yeah, that's interesting. You got it. Yeah. And they're so smart about it.

And also, you can really see if they do the smudging, if they smudge themselves or if they smudge the. The whole school or whatever.

You can really see that some people have an innate ability to see where there's something in the aura and whatever, and they really take it out or they go a little bit more over it with a sage or whatever. So there are also some kids that are more naturally gifted and others, they.

Aline: 00:29:29

They.

Susanne: 00:29:30

They are just doing it because everyone is doing it. So.

Aline: 00:29:33

Yeah, but that's a wonderful thing to just do because everyone's doing it. I think that's fabulous. Thank you so much. And I'm going to put all your details down.

So if you would like to follow Suzanne, if you would like to get in touch. You're currently writing another book to put all the details down, if you'd like to follow Suzanne.

Because you also do house clearing remotely, don't you? You don't have to, to be there.

Susanne: 00:29:55

Yeah, no, I just sometimes give some instructions to the people what they have to do themselves, like with the sage or whatever. But you can do it and support it also over the phone. That's also what I'm doing even when I'm here with my friends. What I told you about the house.

Aline: 00:30:10

Yeah, absolutely. So if anybody wants to get in touch with you, so. And it's just so important and as difficult as I say, don't be scared.

Just get yourself into a relaxed space. You know, Suzanne's already said about the heart breathing. Put some gentle music on first. That relaxes you and relaxes the atmosphere.

If you're feeling a bit tense. Just. It's about acceptance as well. It's about accepting that we're not the only ones here.

There's different layers going on all around us, isn't there?

Susanne: 00:30:38

Yeah, just another dimension.

Aline: 00:30:40

Is there anything else you would like to say to conclude? Anything that comes to mind?

Susanne: 00:30:46

No.

Aline: 00:30:46

Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you very, very much again.

Susanne: 00:30:50

Thank you.

Aline: 00:30:52

And again, thank you for everything that you do in the world. You're absolutely amazing. Thank you so much.

Susanne: 00:30:57

Thank you.

Aline: 00:30:58

Thank you so much for tuning in. As I said, I will share all of Suzanne's details. I really hope this has inspired you. Please share like and subscribe.

And hopefully we can reach many, many people and help many, many people as we are here to serve. So, so much love. Thank you.

Susanne: 00:31:15

Bye bye, bye, bye.